I suspect a community is a group of people who combine selfish motives for the common good.
Roger Benningfield
· 4 years ago
I *generally* like the definition, but I think it's missing or minimizing a couple vital things.
(1) A sense of place, or in more intimate circumstances, a sense of home. Maybe that's what you're hinting at with "shared experiences", but that's the one bit you chose not to emphasize... to me, that's the part that needs the most emphasis.
To steal a quote from myself:
"A community is often difficult to really join. It has rules that can be enforced, and occasionally cheated. It means something to its denizens... they're invested in it, via cash, sweat or time. It isn't entirely self-organizing, because it requires some form of leadership to give it direction. It feels like a territory worth defending, if necessary."
(2) A sense of history. A community is a place that feels like it's been around for a while. The place has a backstory that you want to discover.
Roger Benningfield
· 4 years ago
Oh, for cryin' out loud...
Sorry, Jake, but I kept getting a "your post has been rejected" pop-up. And I believed it, because you have got the most unbelievably hard to read CAPTCHA I've seen.
Again, my apologies for the deluge of duplicates. This is what happens when I pay too much attention to error messages. :D
Lee
· 4 years ago
I think your's is one of the best I've seen Jake. One thing I really get stuck on is interaction and community membership. I agree that there has to be interaction for there to be community- the interaction is where the connections are made.
However, I keep thinking about the people who aren't interacting with the community directly- the "lurkers".
I'm curious, if by building a definition around interaction, it excludes those who do not interact with the community, but count themselves as a member?
I do think interaction should be part of the definition and I'm thinking that the individual who counts themselves as a member, but does not express it interactively, could be a part of the definition too.
Does interaction = community membership?
I ask that a bit rhetorically... and having not thought it through much myself.
Ed Brenegar
· 4 years ago
This meme is an interesting one to me. I find myself appreciative of what is affirmed in the various ways of describing community. However, at the same time, I find that it is symptomatic of the problems identified by Robert Putnam in his Bowling Alone. These communities are really affinity groups, not communities of people who have a shared commitment to one another. We may like each other, want only good things to happen to each other, share a common interest together, are willing to invest time and thought in pursuit of ideas, yet I really don't know or am known at any depth by those online. Am I expecting too much from online interaction? Probably. Am I expecting too much from human interaction, period? I don't think so.
The highest ideals of community involve classical ideas like loyalty, sacrifice, trust, respect, and unconditional commitment.
Can these ideals be developed in online communities? That is the question I'd like to see answered. I hope so.
Ed Brenegar
· 4 years ago
This meme is an interesting one to me. I find myself appreciative of what is affirmed in the various ways of describing community. However, at the same time, I find that it is symptomatic of the problems identified by Robert Putnam in his Bowling Alone. These communities are really affinity groups, not communities of people who have a shared commitment to one another. We may like each other, want only good things to happen to each other, share a common interest together, are willing to invest time and thought in pursuit of ideas, yet I really don't know or am known at any depth by those online. Am I expecting too much from online interaction? Probably. Am I expecting too much from human interaction, period? I don't think so.
The highest ideals of community involve classical ideas like loyalty, sacrifice, trust, respect, and unconditional commitment.
Can these ideals be developed in online communities? That is the question I'd like to see answered. I hope so.
Corneilius
· 4 years ago
'A' community is a thing, as in the 'Internet Community'; whereas community, the quality, is the sum of all the parts of a sustained and sustainable living system. For example the communinty of my own being consists of many billions of cells, some of which are my body, some of which live on my body. They all work together to be me. That 'me' is sustained by the community of Earth, comprising land, sea, rivers, air, etc., which in turn is sustained by Universe.
The common feature or quality thoughout each layer of community described above, and as bio-diversity science shows, is the inclusive quality, thus inclusivity is community. Exclusivity is a therefore denial of community, or a limitation community.
emen
· 3 years ago
hahahahaha
Kristina
· 3 years ago
A community is a DIVERSE group of people which are driven by passion for a common cause in life. This passion is not self-centred but is oblivous of ownership, status and power.
The community is a social construct and as with every community it comes with a strong set of values and belief systems, epitomised by the language (lingo)of the community.
The community engages in symbolic and metaphoric dialogue in their communication to insiders and plain language in the discussion with outsiders...creating a clear border line between what is in, out and inbetween.
Community expansion is therefore contingent upon semiotic and symbolic acceptance of community means of expressions.
Kristina Community fan and creative LEGO user.
timothy
· 2 years ago
There is one key word which i belive is missing from your definition - BELONGING. A community, unlike a public, has to do with belonging, it?s a group of people who belong to one another and to their place. Simone Weil observed in The Need for Roots: ?The effective exercise of a right springs not from the individual who possesses it, but from other men who consider themselves as being under a certain obligation to him.? Belonging occurs for a variey of reasons and durations but is essential to the sense of community.
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(1) A sense of place, or in more intimate circumstances, a sense of home. Maybe that's what you're hinting at with "shared experiences", but that's the one bit you chose not to emphasize... to me, that's the part that needs the most emphasis.
To steal a quote from myself:
"A community is often difficult to really join. It has rules that can be enforced, and occasionally cheated. It means something to its denizens... they're invested in it, via cash, sweat or time. It isn't entirely self-organizing, because it requires some form of leadership to give it direction. It feels like a territory worth defending, if necessary."
(2) A sense of history. A community is a place that feels like it's been around for a while. The place has a backstory that you want to discover.
Sorry, Jake, but I kept getting a "your post has been rejected" pop-up. And I believed it, because you have got the most unbelievably hard to read CAPTCHA I've seen.
Again, my apologies for the deluge of duplicates. This is what happens when I pay too much attention to error messages. :D
However, I keep thinking about the people who aren't interacting with the community directly- the "lurkers".
I'm curious, if by building a definition around interaction, it excludes those who do not interact with the community, but count themselves as a member?
I do think interaction should be part of the definition and I'm thinking that the individual who counts themselves as a member, but does not express it interactively, could be a part of the definition too.
Does interaction = community membership?
I ask that a bit rhetorically... and having not thought it through much myself.
Am I expecting too much from online interaction? Probably.
Am I expecting too much from human interaction, period? I don't think so.
The highest ideals of community involve classical ideas like loyalty, sacrifice, trust, respect, and unconditional commitment.
Can these ideals be developed in online communities? That is the question I'd like to see answered. I hope so.
Am I expecting too much from online interaction? Probably.
Am I expecting too much from human interaction, period? I don't think so.
The highest ideals of community involve classical ideas like loyalty, sacrifice, trust, respect, and unconditional commitment.
Can these ideals be developed in online communities? That is the question I'd like to see answered. I hope so.
The common feature or quality thoughout each layer of community described above, and as bio-diversity science shows, is the inclusive quality, thus inclusivity is community. Exclusivity is a therefore denial of community, or a limitation community.
The community is a social construct and as with every community it comes with a strong set of values and belief systems, epitomised by the language (lingo)of the community.
The community engages in symbolic and metaphoric dialogue in their communication to insiders and plain language in the discussion with outsiders...creating a clear border line between what is in, out and inbetween.
Community expansion is therefore contingent upon semiotic and symbolic acceptance of community means of expressions.
Kristina
Community fan and creative LEGO user.
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